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Hello Everyone🙋‍♂️

Considering myself as a beginner how much time it would take to complete the L&M fingerstyle course if I spend 3-4 hours per day and how much time it would actually take to learn fingerstyle. 

Thankyou guys in advance!!🙏🤗🤗

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Tricky.

The finger style course was an add-on course to expand into the finger style once you've hit Sesson 10 in the main Learn and Master Guitar course. 

It expects you to know the barre chords besides the basic chords and some theory taught in the early main LMG course. 

Do yourself a favor. buy the "main" Learn and Master Guitar Course.

(P.s. many of the regulars might not post this week as 70 execited guitar players are headed to Nashville this week for Steve's Guitar Gathering. 2019. )

 

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I agree with Doug. All but impossible to say. It depends on what you want to learn, how proficient you want to be, if you have other instruction, and so on. My advice as a guitar student and retired educator is: forget about "how long". It will take as long as it takes, and that varies a lot with individuals. Focus on the process, not the product. It's a long, endless road  in seeking mastery. Enjoy the steps.

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I started with the fingerstyle course and found that as a beginner, the course material was way too advanced for me. I then purchased the main Learn and Master Guitar course and set the fingerstyle course aside until I reached session 10. As you can see from my signature, I still have not progressed very far on the fingerstyle course! 🙂

Good luck!

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You definitely need the skills the main L&M Guitar course teaches you. Technically you can use fingerstyle for everything you play, but you already need to know chords and scales and notes. 

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I am glad to see that others have had the same experience I have had.  I am on session 10 of the main class and have been there for probably two months (way beyond the expected to time to master).  I find it easy to keep time with chords in the exercises but have a hard time with chord changes so will often repeat one exercise over and over again.  Today I did a lot of DGDG changes over and over again.  Diane is very right this is an endless process of improvement.  I have the set for Fingerstyle but so far have only looked at it.  I will start once I feel comfortable playing all the way through Canon in D. 

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I finally figured out that like many other things playing Canon in D is not very difficult but playing it well is.  So I moved on to exercises in session 1 finger style but still come back to play Canon in D.

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I see that there hasn't been any recent activity on this thread, or on any thread in the Fingerstyle section, for that matter. So I'm not sure this will be seen, but worth giving it a shot. 

I found this particular thread very helpful. I want to learn solo acoustic guitar, or solo fingerstyle guitar. By that I mean I want to play the melody and accompaniment by myself. No other musicians. No singing. I have the main L&M series and remember trying it years ago but stopping because it was very basic in the beginning ( am beyond those for the most part) and there was lots of strumming (which I don't want to do, especially with a pick). 

That said, I am just launching into Session One of the Fingerstyle series and can already see that there must be some 'foundation' upon which this is built. Now, after reading here, it looks like I might want to return to the main L&M series and work my way through the first 10 sessions. Is that correct? (I have been attempting to learn guitar for more than 10 years; have had several teachers; spent lots of time trying on my own. I struggle with finding and maintaining direction on this journey.)

Bonus question: Can I do both at the same time, or do I really need to get through the 10 main L&M sessions BEFORE launching into the fingerstyle series? 

Thanks for reading, and gold stars to anyone responding! 🙂

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@NinaJean you are talking basically “chord melodies “

Steve relies a lot on music theory knowledge 

you may be ‘above’ the simple playing skills in early part of LMG, but Steve puts in a ton of music theory into each lesson esp session 7&8. (Which I’ve ignored for too long)

how’s your theory, can you pick out a flat 3rd in a F scale in your head fast?

yes you will need clean barre chords for fingerstyle 

can you do both courses at once? Possibly. If you’re just looking at the fingering tab in the fingerstyle course.

@DianeB might be able to fill in more than me

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4 hours ago, Eracer_Team-DougH said:

@NinaJean you are talking basically “chord melodies “

Steve relies a lot on music theory knowledge 

you may be ‘above’ the simple playing skills in early part of LMG, but Steve puts in a ton of music theory into each lesson esp session 7&8. (Which I’ve ignored for too long)

how’s your theory, can you pick out a flat 3rd in a F scale in your head fast?

yes you will need clean barre chords for fingerstyle 

can you do both courses at once? Possibly. If you’re just looking at the fingering tab in the fingerstyle course.

@DianeB might be able to fill in more than me

Thanks so much for your reply. My theory is not great. I've tried numerous times to tackle music theory, and I get it 'in theory' but not 'experientially'...if that makes sense. I will revisit the main course with that in mind.

 

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@NinaJean Thank you for bringing some life to the fingerstyle thread!

Steve created the original L&M guitar course recognizing that fingerstyle, blues, and jazz were subjects in their own right. Giving them their due was beyond the scope of an introductory course. A few years later, by student request, he produced his fingerstyle and blues courses as supplements for these specialties. They were designed to avoid unnecessary duplication. So the original L&M course — at least up to those respective sessions — is effectively a prerequisite. The spotlight courses assume, for example, that the student has some familiarity with barre chords. I would not recommend them to a novice.

You mentioned that you have had several teachers. Were any of them trained in classical guitar, or the style you want to learn? If so, I think they could have escorted you through the first sessions of the L&M course, focusing on those skills, and in the necessary sequence, that would meet your needs and goals. A good teacher will observe and listen to you, and direct your study so that you can teach yourself.

At least, that's my experience. As I started session 10, my tutor examined the L&M materials, saw what I could and couldn't do, and we went from there. Yes, you certainly can work on the fingerstyle course and L&M course concurrently. But if you still struggle with "finding and maintaining direction," that's a signal that a true music instructor would benefit you. Please stay in touch. We have many knowledgeable and supportive folks here who will wish you success.

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4 hours ago, DianeB said:

@NinaJean Thank you for bringing some life to the fingerstyle thread!

Steve created the original L&M guitar course recognizing that fingerstyle, blues, and jazz were subjects in their own right. Giving them their due was beyond the scope of an introductory course. A few years later, by student request, he produced his fingerstyle and blues courses as supplements for these specialties. They were designed to avoid unnecessary duplication. So the original L&M course — at least up to those respective sessions — is effectively a prerequisite. The spotlight courses assume, for example, that the student has some familiarity with barre chords. I would not recommend them to a novice.

You mentioned that you have had several teachers. Were any of them trained in classical guitar, or the style you want to learn? If so, I think they could have escorted you through the first sessions of the L&M course, focusing on those skills, and in the necessary sequence, that would meet your needs and goals. A good teacher will observe and listen to you, and direct your study so that you can teach yourself.

At least, that's my experience. As I started session 10, my tutor examined the L&M materials, saw what I could and couldn't do, and we went from there. Yes, you certainly can work on the fingerstyle course and L&M course concurrently. But if you still struggle with "finding and maintaining direction," that's a signal that a true music instructor would benefit you. Please stay in touch. We have many knowledgeable and supportive folks here who will wish you success.

Thank you, Diane. Very helpful. Only one of my teachers  (I've had 5) specialized in fingerstyle guitar. In fact, he won the national fingerstyle championship one year in the mid 90s. But even he did not have a curriculum for me to follow. None of my teachers have. That is what drew me to the L&M main series. It had structure and was well thought out. However I drifted away from it when my desire to learn solo fingerstyle was not addressed up to the point I reached. I realize that I could engage a teacher via Zoom or some similar technology, but I hesitate to do that just because the face-to-face interaction was so helpful to me....especially being able to closely see what the teacher would demonstrate. I haven't entirely ruled out live-but-not-truly-in-person lessons, however the ideal would be for me to find a book-and-video combo series that I could tackle at my own pace.  Maybe that's not realistic, but I was hoping that perhaps the L&M Fingerstyle series plus this forum night fit my vision, with the added bonus of folks I could call upon if/when I get stuck. 🙂

 

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If you are starting as an older student past the age of 25 remember this, your ability to master something will take longer because your physical structure has already been coded by time.  You can change the coding, but it will take longer for some movements to become effortless.  If this is the path you wish to take remember the wise words from Tim Allen in the movie "Galaxy Quest!"...  "Never give up! Never Surrender!"  Also one of favorites is the answer to this question. How do you eat an elephant?  One bite at a time.

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It might be worth checking out https://classical.guitarcorneracademy.com/  This will take you from very beginning to advanced in the classical/fingerstyle method.

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I have Christopher Parkening Guitar method book.  You can look this classical guitar resource up.  It teaches classical guitar. Here is the link:   Christopher Parkening website and Hal Leonard books.  I hope everyone is ok with me sharing this link. 

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Well since I answered above (yrs ago now and having owned all of Steve’s courses  for years ) thought I’d add to the perspective of the Fingerstyle course.

as I posted in the Gathering/Retreat section that I’ve signed up for the Fingerstyle Retreat Oct2024, I’d better ‘hustle’ of this playing. 
I started Disk 1 Session1 on April 1,2024. I don’t have much problems in the right hand finger picking as I’ve had a “go to” pattern for yrs. 
as of May 31, I’m on Disk2 Advanced workshop. 
where I’m struggling is in 2 aspects of this course:

1- note reading: on the videos, it relies heavily on note reading. I am either running 2 screens on my desktop or 2 tablets when I’m mobile. One has the instruction video the other has the Student PDF manual where I rely heavily on the TAB music

2- jazz chords: Steve likes his jazz chord forms. I’m having issues jumping from something like Cdim7 to C#m7 in 1 beat , it’s going to take more time than I like to get these to 88bpm

Blog will continue….

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I'm in it now too, session 3 but still trying to play parts of session 2 at the recommended bpm.  Excellent material but pretty dense.  Those jazz barre chords.....I can do them only on my husband's Eastman electric, which has a thinner neck.  Course seems to go from 0 to 100 pretty fast!  But so worth the money, great stuff and some wonderful songs coming up in later sessions.

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@Nancy Lawing yes I see Disk 3 gets into 3rds/6ths/10ths with a few songs to show that one's making progress.

maybe one more week in Disk 2

 

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It merges nicely with Steve's Tuesday night lessons last month.  Some of the material he used for GG came straight from Lesson 3.

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