?Guitar Gathering Forum Collaboration GG2?

[Nutty1]

Great, thank you @gotto I will put you down for doing the mixing.

I am uncertain as to whether the rhythm guitar tracks that I have done are of any use, they do not sound great to me. I will leave it to you and Fretless to decide on that. I would be more than happy for you to produce a replacement rhythm track. I just thought I would give it a go,  I had been secretly hoping that someone other than me would do the rhythm guitar. ?

Your side project sounds superb, I hope you will post some of your music for us to hear!???

[Fretless]

I clearly missed some news as I was not aware that Mandy could not play guitar when I suggested it. Sorry. Because of the trouble Mandy had, my reparation was to spend yesterday adjusting the timing of Mandy's Brit Clean guitar track so that it sits tighter to the beat, like this (for gotto if he chooses to use this in the final mix):
https://app.box.com/s/wuipare0ljypbbl0tjydhp4ud0id8u6c

Using the adjusted guitar track I then did the drum track (which gotto will want for the final mix):
https://app.box.com/s/ax4rr2fwl6jojoip5wv13wex26frhfsy

Guitar and drum tracks together sound like this:
https://app.box.com/s/bt4qz6g9lvdz30u3py9ytn91feclwt5d

Mandy, I am guessing that an AAC (.m4a) file will be what you want so that you can import it into GarageBand, in order to do the bass track - if you are up to it. Here you go:
https://app.box.com/s/lknk9c6hqdk5dham2w74izq3suxz8is4

Edited April 12, 2018 by Fretless

[Nutty1]

Oh Fretless that was so very kind of you.

No need to apologise, I did not tell you about my trigger finger(s) and after all I did start another collaboration so it IS all my fault!

I am really glad that you have done this because I really wanted gotto to be able to do the parts which he originally volunteered for. Thank you ever so much.

I believe that I will be able to do the bass track, anyhow I am willing to give it a go.

Thank you.?

[gotto]

Thanks Fretless. I was really wanting to use Mandy's track also. As I have said in the past, this is a very good learning experience for all. Perhaps you can share with me in a PM how you made the tracking adjustments when we are finished with the project.

Greg

[Fretless]

It is no secret and I promised Mandy that I would explain my mixing techniques.

I used a plug-in called Melodyne Essential (the cheapest of Melodyne's offerings so I don't have all the tools in the video below). The neat thing is that you can drag notes or their start or finish points to where you want them.

 

[Nutty1]

Excellent drum track Fretless, I had not realised that you were drummer also!

[Fretless]

You are too kind, Mandy. Thanks.

[Nutty1]

Fretless, thank you very much for sharing the information about Melodyne Essential, I am very interested in it (for obvious reasons ?). When you use this software do you put everything exactly to the correct timing or do you leave some slightly off for a more natural effect and if so how much please? Or do you just correct the ones that are really badly out?

Edited April 14, 2018 by Nutty1

[Fretless]

Melodyne is better known for its auto-tuning ability but it can also do time correction. I tried the auto-correction but there were too many notes that sounded worse afterwards that I decided to go through and do each note by hand (and check by ear).

With auto-correction you can choose which notes or apply correction to the whole piece at once and you have a pecentage correction slider so, yes, you can leave notes not quite computer-accurate if you prefer. Doing it by hand I drag the start point of each chord to where I want each one to start and then would listen to each bar afterwards to check my work.

From memory there are 3 Melodyne packages - Essential, the one I have, is the cheapest - and you can always upgrade from a lesser one to a greater one. Celemony (or something like) that is the company that publishes Melodyne software.

[Nutty1]

On 14/04/2018 at 8:26 AM, Fretless said:

Melodyne is better known for its auto-tuning ability but it can also do time correction. I tried the auto-correction but there were too many notes that sounded worse afterwards that I decided to go through and do each note by hand (and check by ear).

With auto-correction you can choose which notes or apply correction to the whole piece at once and you have a pecentage correction slider so, yes, you can leave notes not quite computer-accurate if you prefer. Doing it by hand I drag the start point of each chord to where I want each one to start and then would listen to each bar afterwards to check my work.

From memory there are 3 Melodyne packages - Essential, the one I have, is the cheapest - and you can always upgrade from a lesser one to a greater one. Celemony (or something like) that is the company that publishes Melodyne software.

Thank you Fretless, that is exactly what I need. I am getting the Essential version!

[Nutty1]

OK folks, I have uploaded the bass track into Box.com. 

GG2 Bass

I am now off to the Dr to get a steroid shot to treat a trigger finger in my right hand. 

Edited April 18, 2018 by Nutty1

[gotto]

Thanks Mandy. I will begin to work on the material this weekend. Sometimes things come quickly and sometimes it takes time, as you well know. If you or Fretless have thoughts on a theme, go ahead and PM me.

Greg

[gotto]

Busy weekend, upcoming busy week-jam class, two band practices. Update-still working on melody line. Looks like this will collab take "some time". I will keep updating progress.

 

Greg

[Nutty1]

Thank you for the update Greg, there is no hurry.

[gotto]

Got a tune, got lyrics. Will begin recording  tomorrow (I hope).

Greg

[Nutty1]

It sounds like you are motoring on Greg, thank you for the update.

[gotto]

A rough mix is uploaded to the box. Advice on mixing is welcome Fretless....kind of "verbie"to my ear. I doubled the lead vocals, very slight pan  using a a basic vocal patch from Isotope Nectar that has a bit of delay and reverb that I scaled down. 

Greg

[Fretless]

Sorry, Greg, but I cannot see your rough mix. Is it in Mandy's GG Collaborations? What is the file called?

[gotto]

I am finding all the files in my personal  .box under the file "Recent".This is where I uploaded the rough mix, and it show up there.  I  did not have success accessing the link to Maggie's box, even though she said I was accepted when I tried. I never had this problem when you were leading the charge on these collabs with your box invites. Any suggestions on this? 

Greg

[Nutty1]

Greg, I am very sorry that you are not able to get into the GG Collaborations folder in box. I have sent a screenshot in a private message to you and Fretless in the hope that we can figure out what is happening here.

[gotto]

I sent a PM in response to you and Fretless. If it still isn't up, I will sent the file direct to Fretless to review, advise and insert.

Greg

 

[Fretless]

On 5/5/2018 at 5:44 PM, gotto said:

... very slight pan  using a a basic vocal patch from Isotope Nectar that has a bit of delay and reverb that I scaled down.

I played your rough mix to Mrs. Fretless and her comment was that the vocals and the music don't sound like they were played or recorded in the same place. You could try scaling down that slight pan and bit of delay and reverb further or apply a hint of it to some of the instruments to bring them closer together.

As usual, great vocals, Greg. Well done!

What's next, Mandy?

[Nutty1]

OK, we now need a volunteer to do the lead guitar. 

[Fretless]

We started this collaboration in March and now it is May and no one has yet volunteered. Does someone want to jump in and volunteer today? Please, do, you are welcome, but if not, I will pick this up tomorrow.

[Fretless]

In case anyone would like to hear Greg's rough mix which consists of rhythm guitar, drums, bass and vocals, here it is.