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Doug, thanks; it is amazing what can be accomplished with modern technology (edit: plus many years of experience).

Mandy, it is there now - here.

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Hello @Fretless have you been able to make a start writing the song or do you need me to do another mix?

If no one else volunteers to sing it I will be happy to oblige.

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I started in the middle of last week and then was busy from Friday onwards preparing for a gig on Saturday and re-learning 5 songs for church on Sunday - because I normally play drums in church but was needed on guitar yesterday.

I am now back on track and am piecing lyrics together on the theme of 'The Wall' (not the same wall that Pink Floyd sang about).

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Let me present the lyrics twice. First, with bullet points showing the beats (quarter notes) in the song. If that is doing your head in, use the plain lyrics, posted beneath. One more thing: Mandy, thank you for volunteering to sing it. I wonder whether a second person should sing the chorus. If so, I'll be happy to sing either the verses or the choruses and leave you the other - or leave you to sing the whole song if you would prefer.

Song title: The ballad of Nehemiah

Verse 1:
       •Do         •you      re•member       •
       •when the   •walls came •down?        •
       •Do         •you      re•member       •
   the •gates of   •our home   •town?        •

       •Many       •years     a•go           •
    we •call it    •histor-    •y            •
       •Rubble     •stands on  •show         •
     a •city I     •hope to    •see          •

       •I          •have     a •dream        •
   the •King has   •given   per•mission      •
       •Heading    •to the     •homeland     •
     I •got      my•self     a •mission      •

Chorus:
     O •Lord, come •look    at •what they've •done
    We •need  your •help,   we •need     some•one

     I •see    our •wall,      •standing     •there
       •rising     •up,    all •neat     and •square

   Our •future's   •sure   for •ev'ry        •one
       •Mother,    •daughter,  •father,      •son

Verse 2:
       •Look       •at it      •now,         •
   the •builders   •are at     •work         •
       •Look       •at it      •now,         •
   the •walls are  •rising     •fast         •

       •Working    •side by    •side         •
     a •sword      •in one     •hand         •
Twelve •gates      •for twelve •tribes       •
     re•buil-      •ding our   •land         •

       •Future's   •looking    •good         •
   the •future's   •looking    •strong       •
       •Gonna    re•build the  •temple       •
  when •Ezra       •comes     a•long         •

- - - - -

The ballad of Nehemiah

Verse 1:
   Do you remember
   when the walls came down?
   Do you remember
   the gates of our home town?
   Many years ago
   we call it history
   Rubble stands on show
   a city I hope to see
   I have a dream
   the King has given permission
   Heading to the homeland
   I got myself a mission

Chorus:
   O Lord, come look at what they've done
   We need your help, we need someone
   I see our wall, standing there
   rising up, all neat and square
   Our future's sure for ev'ry one
   Mother, daughter, father, son

Verse 2:
   Look at it now,
   the builders are at work
   Look at it now,
   the walls are rising fast
   Working side by side
   a sword in one hand
   Twelve gates for twelve tribes
   rebuilding our land
   Future's looking good
   the future's looking strong
   Gonna rebuild the temple
   when Ezra comes along

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"The ballad of Nehemiah" - This is impressive Fretless. I admit that I had to look up Nehemiah.  Here is a link for anyone else who does not know Wikipedia on Nehemiah

I do not know if I can do this beautifully written song justice! 

If you wish I am more than happy for you to sing it. Or we could do a bit each. Or we could  use my vocals as backing/harmony on the chorus with a bit of help from Melodyne? 

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Let me do a draft vocal - because I have the rhythm but no melody in my head - and then we can discuss what to do from there. So, the ball is back in my court!

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Sorry about the delay; here is the draft lyric, complete with the count-in. I got one word wrong in the first chorus (it's alright in the other two) and I intentionally swapped lines 2 and 4 in verse 2.

I am happy for you to do it all, Mandy, however you see fit, or to ask for a second voice, either as verse-refrain contrast or as a harmony. Whatever!

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A better choice of one word.
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Thank you for the draft lyrics Fretless, they are extremely helpful. I have been working on them today. I think it is coming along nicely.

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OK here is a draft mix containing me singing the whole song and Fretless making it a duet for the chorus'.

GG3 Vocal mix

I added reverb to both the vocal parts. I kind of like it.

Does it work? Any suggestions?

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Mandy, I never heard you sing so well; brilliant! As for my part, I was talking through the rhythm so I wouldn't count my part as singing. However, this is a guitar gathering and it works so I'd say the combined vocal is plenty good enough.

I know you are doing the official mix, Mandy, but can I request a copy of your vocal track on its own, when you are happy that it is the finished version?

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Thank you Fretless, I have been working on my voice but I did run my vocal track through Melodyne and manually adjust a few notes so it could be mainly due to that!?

I have uploaded both of the vocal tracks to box.

OK folks, we need a volunteer to do the lead guitar stuff please.

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 I am having a go at doing the lead guitar bits, I will hopefully be able to post something in a day or two!

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Here are some mixes containing my lead guitar parts. I played simple single note stuff in the solo and the intro and for fills in the chorus. After playing around with various amps in GarageBand I found myself in the "Experimental" amps section where I tried out an amp effect called "Cascade". It sounds a bit like bells to me.

I asked Fretless' opinion on this and he said that the reverb in the "Cascade" effect made the guitar solo sound like it was being played from further away than the rhythm guitar. Fretless gave me 2 paramaters to adjust 1) to adjust the volume of the rhythm guitar down or 2) to adjust the reverb on the lead guitar down. I found that the reverb was set to 2 on the lead guitar so I turned it down to 0.5, but I did not think that the effect was quite enough to bring the solo forward so I adjusted the volume of the rhythm guitar down a bit during the solo using GarageBand automation. 

Here is my first mix GG3 Lead Mix V1 with the solo guitar sounding far away

Here it is after the adjustments GG3 Lead Mix V2

Does it sound better? Did I go far enough with the adjustments or too far?

One more thing............ I am always looking of ways to make the chorus' build and since I have just started to learn harmonica I thought that I would have a go at doing some simple notes in the background of the 2nd and 3rd chorus. I am not sure whether it works or it just adds some high notes which interfere. What do you all think? GG3 Harmonica lead mix

 

 

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I find it easier to comment by giving you something to listen to and explaining my thoughts, so: GG3 - mixed by Fretless

As the lead guitar with the cascading effect is meant to be the lead guitar I increased its volume but then found that it has a brittle-sounding top end so I tamed that with EQ. I think this is a brilliant example of how a lead part can be something simple to play and how an unusual effect can help it be interesting.

The harmonica needed to be a bit louder so that it could be heard but, to my ears, it quite quickly distracted the listener's ear (ie. mine) away from the vocals, so it is there but not very prominent - I recall listening to albums when I was younger and after a few listenings I would start to notice quieter instruments I had not noticed at first. I think of the harmonica here like that.

The rhythm guitar that is only playing single notes during the verses was made quieter until it sat comfortably in the mix in a support role. I think it works better now in the lead section as it is clearly there but the listener's ear is caught up by the cascading guitar.

The bass plus the rhythm guitar sounded a bit too full to my ears so I EQ'd the bass to my taste and then, at the mastering stage, also subtracted 2dB centred around 350Hz and added a high pass filter at 80Hz.

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Wow, thank you Fretless ?, there is a lot for me to learn here. You have explained it very well. It is exactly what I need! ?

I think this is a superb song and it deserves your mix to do it justice.?

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Cool friends. This may be one of these most creative efforts yet... a very out of the box go at a composition since the inception of these projects. I wish I could have spent more time with you on this, life has become quite busy with my wife's surgery and upcoming gigs. Kudos to both of you.

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Thank you for your kind words @gotto, and your contribution was greatly appreciated! 

I hope that all is as well as can be wished for with your wife.

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I have always enjoyed these collaborations and I have definitely learnt a lot by doing them. I know that some of my posts here can be a bit "wordy" but I am always trying to pass on the knowledge that I have gained while having a blast doing these songs.

By the way, for anyone who is starting to learn the 12 bar blues...... did you notice that I used a standard 12 bar blues for the verse? Having read that 12 bar blues chord progressions are used in othere styles of music I thought that we could put it to the test. I love experimenting!

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Was this the most recent collaboration?  I haven't been around often but I did always enjoy the chance to work on these group songs.  I would love to do another one if there is still any interest.

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Hello @Jusca, I have not run any collaborations for a while because of the general lack of volunteers at the time. My main problem is that my arthritis is still limiting me with my chord playing etc. I am happy to advertise another collaboration and see what happens.

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On 4/24/2019 at 1:43 AM, Nutty 1 said:

Hello @Jusca, I have not run any collaborations for a while because of the general lack of volunteers at the time. My main problem is that my arthritis is still limiting me with my chord playing etc. I am happy to advertise another collaboration and see what happens.

thank you for setting up the new collaboration!

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