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I found this page useful in researching beginner nylon string guitars.  I am a few months away from purchasing and would love to hear anyone's thoughts or experiences with their first nylon string instrument.

Robert

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.guitarfella.com/best-classical-guitar/under-300/&ved=2ahUKEwi6tp3zmunYAhVN3WMKHYa3AFcQFjACegQIFRAB&usg=AOvVaw12LGWT_1wHZ1MaC9DuUBnb

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Good day Robert,

The Yamaha is definitely one to go see. I don't own a nylon string but I believe Steve has a Yamaha that he bought in college and had an electric pickup installed into. I don't remember the exact model.  As I remember, he has said many times that he does most of his recording with it and were he stranded on a deserted island, it would be his guitar to have with him.

Please correct me if I'm in error, folks.

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5 minutes ago, Jeffblk72 said:

Good day Robert,

The Yamaha is definitely one to go see. I don't own a nylon string but I believe Steve has a Yamaha that he bought in college and had an electric pickup installed into. I don't remember the exact model.  As I remember, he has said many times that he does most of his recording with it and were he stranded on a deserted island, it would be his guitar to have with him.

Please correct me if I'm in error, folks.

Thanks for the info.  I have been very happy with my Yamaha FG800 so I'm leaning that way.  What I haven't decided is cutaway or standard and accoustic electric or standard.

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1 hour ago, rkl312 said:

I found this page useful in researching beginner nylon string guitars.  I am a few months away from purchasing and would love to hear anyone's thoughts or experiences with their first nylon string instrument.

Robert

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.guitarfella.com/best-classical-guitar/under-300/&ved=2ahUKEwi6tp3zmunYAhVN3WMKHYa3AFcQFjACegQIFRAB&usg=AOvVaw12LGWT_1wHZ1MaC9DuUBnb

My Yamaha is a steel string guitar, but they are well built and sound great. It is my Dread. I am looking at a nylon string guitar myself.I have been thinking of Cordoba, they do Left handed as well.

Good luck.

Cheers

 

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The site you posted is a great place to start Robert. I would also consider an older 1980s Yamaha - like the one that Steve regularly plays (I believe Steve's is a G-245S). Those guitars came in a variety of versions (G-235S, G-245S, G-255S, etc.). They are solid guitars and pop up frequently on eBay, Reverb, and Craigslist at reasonable prices. I picked up a G-245S a couple years ago for $150.

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24 minutes ago, Dave White said:

The site you posted is a great place to start Robert. I would also consider an older 1980s Yamaha - like the one that Steve regularly plays (I believe Steve's is a G-245S). Those guitars came in a variety of versions (G-235S, G-245S, G-255S, etc.). They are solid guitars and pop up frequently on eBay, Reverb, and Craigslist at reasonable prices. I picked up a G-245S a couple years ago for $150.

Thanks Dave.  Do you feel these older guitars are of higher quality?  I guess my concern would be condition of th neck when I can't have anyone check it out.

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I like the top 3 guitar manufacturers on the link you included rkl312. 

You will need to listen to the sound of each guitar as well as hold and play each guitar if you can, you could also look at a flamenco guitar, it may sound different to you but you can play both classical and flamenco on it. Find the one that feels just right. Find the one that you just can not leave behind.

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3 minutes ago, Nutty1 said:

I like the top 3 guitar manufacturers on the link you included rkl312. 

You could also have a look at the Cordoba F7, it is a flamenco guitar. I found it really easy to play as it has a slightly thinner body and a flat neck (so it has lower action) and if you ever want to learn flamenco guitar then you will be all set for that too.

You will need to listen to the sound of each guitar as well as hold and play each guitar if you can, the flamenco guitar may sound different to you. Find the one that feels just right. Find the one that you just can not leave behind.

Great advice.  Like when I bought my Yamaha steel string I just loved it.  We have a Yamaha dealer here but I am unsure of his nylon string inventory.  In a small town like this it's often hard to sample guitars.  

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3 hours ago, rkl312 said:

I found this page useful in researching beginner nylon string guitars.  I am a few months away from purchasing and would love to hear anyone's thoughts or experiences with their first nylon string instrument.

Robert

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.guitarfella.com/best-classical-guitar/under-300/&ved=2ahUKEwi6tp3zmunYAhVN3WMKHYa3AFcQFjACegQIFRAB&usg=AOvVaw12LGWT_1wHZ1MaC9DuUBnb

We used to have a member named Stargazer55 who owned a Yamaha nylon string guitar. Sadly he (Tom) passed, but he said many times how much he enjoyed playing it. The nice thing is many nylon string guitars tend to be a little smaller which makes them easier to hold--and possibly may allow them to be grabbed for a quickie session because of their comfortable size. I really don't think you'd go wrong with one providing it was properly set up. Good luck with whatever you choose!

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Looking at your local shop may be your best bet, they will also do a great setup on your guitar where some online shops will not. 

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28 minutes ago, rkl312 said:

Thanks Dave.  Do you feel these older guitars are of higher quality?  I guess my concern would be condition of th neck when I can't have anyone check it out.

Robert - I wouldn't buy an older guitar that I couldn't check out in person. Those late 1970s/early 1980s Yamaha's hold up well - but I would want to see it in person before buying. I purchased one via Reverb that I ended up sending back (the owner in this case was great to work with). The guitar needed a lot of fret work (the cost to fix it would have been more than the guitar was worth).

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25 minutes ago, rkl312 said:

Great advice.  Like when I bought my Yamaha steel string I just loved it.  We have a Yamaha dealer here but I am unsure of his nylon string inventory.  In a small town like this it's often hard to sample guitars.  

I have bought equipment from Sweetwater.com. Not only are the people great, my account manager has been Kurt Martin, he has been a real help. Found me left handed guitars, Martin and Fender and is great with advice on equipment. It is checked out, put through multiple tests and evaluations by their Luthiers before they ship to you. Prices are good as well.

I am not affiliated with them either, just a good place to do business with.

And you get a bag of candy in each shipment.

 

Cheers

 

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RKL:  I started with an old Yamaha G50A, cost me 47 bucks used.  Still sounds great, but those older student models sometimes did not have an adjustable truss rod so the action is pretty high even with shaving the saddle.  I never really cared for the wide neck after switching to a narrower electric guitar neck.  I replaced my old G50A with a new Yamaha NTX 700c while I was doing the Fingerstyle course.  It is a hybrid nylon with a radiused and slightly narrower neck (and a great pickup system).  It was a B-stock that I got off of ebay for about $365 including gig bag.  Now my expensive guitars just sit in their cases most of the time!  This one is my all time favorite and nearly the cheapest, go figure.  Though as Grog said, if you get one from Sweatwater you get a bag of candy with it, plus your personal salesperson will actually pull the guitar you are interested in and play it for you to give you their opinion of that guitar. LOL

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Robert - ShadowBoxer86 makes a great point. If I was going to buy a nylon string guitar today, I would probably start by looking at crossover models - most likely something with close to a 1 3/4 inch nut width and maybe even a cutaway.

Good luck with your search.

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26 minutes ago, ShadowBoxer86 said:

RKL:  I started with an old Yamaha G50A, cost me 47 bucks used.  Still sounds great, but those older student models sometimes did not have an adjustable truss rod so the action is pretty high even with shaving the saddle.  I never really cared for the wide neck after switching to a narrower electric guitar neck.  I replaced my old G50A with a new Yamaha NTX 700c while I was doing the Fingerstyle course.  It is a hybrid nylon with a radiused and slightly narrower neck (and a great pickup system).  It was a B-stock that I got off of ebay for about $365 including gig bag.  Now my expensive guitars just sit in their cases most of the time!  This one is my all time favorite and nearly the cheapest, go figure.  Though as Grog said, if you get one from Sweatwater you get a bag of candy with it, plus your personal salesperson will actually pull the guitar you are interested in and play it for you to give you their opinion of that guitar. LOL

Thanks for the info.  Luckily I have some time before I decide.

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15 minutes ago, Dave White said:

Robert - ShadowBoxer86 makes a great point. If I was going to buy a nylon string guitar today, I would probably start by looking at crossover models - most likely something with close to a 1 3/4 inch nut width and maybe even a cutaway.

Good luck with your search.

How about electronics?  I'm leaning that way.

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45 minutes ago, rkl312 said:

How about electronics?  I'm leaning that way.

This is one of the nylon strings that I am considering, the cheapest......

 

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/C5CE

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49 minutes ago, rkl312 said:

How about electronics?  I'm leaning that way.

But I think it will probably be this guitar.....

https://www.cordobaguitars.com/guitars/orchestra-ce-lefty/

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3 minutes ago, Grog said:

This is one of the nylon strings that I am considering, the cheapest......

 

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/C5CE

I LOVE that guitar.  The 399.00 is a tough sell on the spouse.  It has all I want.  

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I once had a Cordoba C5, which is not very expensive. It played ok, but the fretwork was kind of rough, as was the bridge's finishing. On the other hand, every Yamaha I've picked up has been well made. I think I'd go that route for sure if I were going to buy another classical to play around on. 

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22 hours ago, rkl312 said:

I LOVE that guitar.  The 399.00 is a tough sell on the spouse.  It has all I want.  

I just asked my rep at Sweetwater for price quotes on the two guitars I  like. the  GK Studio Negra Lefty MSRP is over $1000. Sweetwater's quote $699.00

The 55FCE Lefty MSRP $1995.00 Sweetwater's quote to me $1199.00 same as my Stratocaster was.

Sweetwater's Luthiers do a 50 point evaluation before they shipped to you. They  come set up and ready to go.

 

Just a thought.

Good Luck

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This is an interesting topic to me as I too have it in mind to buy a nylon string guitar, preferably with a cut-away and electronics.  I love the warm rich tone they have.

What really strikes me is how good an instrument you can get for relatively little money vs many steel string guitars costing many times more. You can spend a TON on a classical guitar but you don't have to.

I like classical style guitar music   but my main thought was to play jazz, maybe in the Bossa Nova style, which I understand is the preferred choice for this style.

A couple of years ago I rented a really good one from our biggest retailer here in Canada (yes they do that) for a whole month for only $12.00!  

It was one of these;  An Almansa , with cedar top and laminated rosewood back and sides. It sounded awesome and I hated to take it back; https://www.long-mcquade.com/22606/Guitars/Classical-Guitars/Almansa/Classical-Cedar-Laminated-Rosewood-Acoustic-Guitar.htm

I've been thinking about it ever since. Now I'm looking at a couple of options like brands Almansa, LaPatrie (by Godin) , maybe Yamaha (havent found one of those i like yet) or;

The Godin Multiac Nylon is also an interesting choice.https://www.long-mcquade.com/departments/147/Guitars/Classical/Nylon_Solid_Or_Synth_Equipped.htm

especially this one;https://www.long-mcquade.com/16691/Guitars/Classical-Guitars/Godin-Guitars/Multiac-Nylon-Encore-SG-W-bag.htm

which has a 1 7/8" nut width, designed for steel string players who want this kind of tone. They have some volume unplugged, enough for practice, and can be used with a regular amp.   (I think Maria ; SleepingAngel has one in another colour)

I noticed the brands available in the USA are somewhat different, but any other suggestions are welcome... decisions, decisions... 

ps I dont mind paying up to about $1500.CDN if I have to, to get a really GOOD instrument. (I dont think I'll like the under $300 stuff.)

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1 hour ago, NeilES335 said:

This is an interesting topic to me as I too have it in mind to buy a nylon string guitar, preferably with a cut-away and electronics.  I love the warm rich tone they have.

What really strikes me is how good an instrument you can get for relatively little money vs many steel string guitars costing many times more. You can spend a TON on a classical guitar but you don't have to.

I like classical style guitar music   but my main thought was to play jazz, maybe in the Bossa Nova style, which I understand is the preferred choice for this style.

A couple of years ago I rented a really good one from our biggest retailer here in Canada (yes they do that) for a whole month for only $12.00!  

It was one of these;  An Almansa , with cedar top and laminated rosewood back and sides. It sounded awesome and I hated to take it back; https://www.long-mcquade.com/22606/Guitars/Classical-Guitars/Almansa/Classical-Cedar-Laminated-Rosewood-Acoustic-Guitar.htm

I've been thinking about it ever since. Now I'm looking at a couple of options like brands Almansa, LaPatrie (by Godin) , maybe Yamaha (havent found one of those i like yet) or;

The Godin Multiac Nylon is also an interesting choice.https://www.long-mcquade.com/departments/147/Guitars/Classical/Nylon_Solid_Or_Synth_Equipped.htm

especially this one; https://www.long-mcquade.com/departments/147/Guitars/Classical/Nylon_Solid_Or_Synth_Equipped.htm

which has a 1 7/8" nut width, designed for steel string players who want this kind of tone. They have some volume unplugged, enough for practice, and can be used with a regular amp.   (I think Maria ; SleepingAngel has one in another colour)

I noticed the brands available in the USA are somewhat different, but any other suggestions are welcome... decisions, decisions... 

ps I dont mind paying up to about $1500.CDN if I have to, to get a really GOOD instrument. (I dont think I'll like the under $300 stuff.)

Neil those examples are really some beautiful and high quality instruments.  Great research.  Please let me know what you decide.  In reality I will be looking at the lower end and want to get the biggest bang for my buck and I'm leaning toward Yamaha.  Either way there's going to be some fun pictures to look at once we take the plunge.  Oh yeah, I didn't mention this will be my reward for getting to session 10.  Incentive!

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4 hours ago, NeilES335 said:

This is an interesting topic to me as I too have it in mind to buy a nylon string guitar, preferably with a cut-away and electronics.  I love the warm rich tone they have.

What really strikes me is how good an instrument you can get for relatively little money vs many steel string guitars costing many times more. You can spend a TON on a classical guitar but you don't have to.

I like classical style guitar music   but my main thought was to play jazz, maybe in the Bossa Nova style, which I understand is the preferred choice for this style.

A couple of years ago I rented a really good one from our biggest retailer here in Canada (yes they do that) for a whole month for only $12.00!  

It was one of these;  An Almansa , with cedar top and laminated rosewood back and sides. It sounded awesome and I hated to take it back; https://www.long-mcquade.com/22606/Guitars/Classical-Guitars/Almansa/Classical-Cedar-Laminated-Rosewood-Acoustic-Guitar.htm

I've been thinking about it ever since. Now I'm looking at a couple of options like brands Almansa, LaPatrie (by Godin) , maybe Yamaha (havent found one of those i like yet) or;

The Godin Multiac Nylon is also an interesting choice.https://www.long-mcquade.com/departments/147/Guitars/Classical/Nylon_Solid_Or_Synth_Equipped.htm

especially this one; https://www.long-mcquade.com/departments/147/Guitars/Classical/Nylon_Solid_Or_Synth_Equipped.htm

which has a 1 7/8" nut width, designed for steel string players who want this kind of tone. They have some volume unplugged, enough for practice, and can be used with a regular amp.   (I think Maria ; SleepingAngel has one in another colour)

I noticed the brands available in the USA are somewhat different, but any other suggestions are welcome... decisions, decisions... 

ps I dont mind paying up to about $1500.CDN if I have to, to get a really GOOD instrument. (I dont think I'll like the under $300 stuff.)

@NeilES335

Hi Neil,

I know you like Bossa Nova, so I wanted to share this song with you. It makes me want to buy a nylon string as well.

On a sidenote: I am doing Ear Training at the moment and this is the song that I use to recognize a minor 6th interval, as this is the dinstance between the 2 first notes. 

Wim.

 

 

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9 hours ago, NeilES335 said:

This is an interesting topic to me as I too have it in mind to buy a nylon string guitar, preferably with a cut-away and electronics.  I love the warm rich tone they have.

The Godin Multiac Nylon is also an interesting choice.https://www.long-mcquade.com/departments/147/Guitars/Classical/Nylon_Solid_Or_Synth_Equipped.htm

especially this one; https://www.long-mcquade.com/departments/147/Guitars/Classical/Nylon_Solid_Or_Synth_Equipped.htm

 

Neil, I had to do a double-take on the Multiac Nylon style. :o Sure looks more like an electric!

By the way, both of these links are displaying the same page. Can you edit the second link to show the one you are interested in? I'd like to see what it is. Thanks! :)

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